Re: Blending a McClintock Red into a McClin
Posted by Kendall Leonard on Wednesday, 28-Nov-2007
What do you think ? Maybe add 50% windsail ? or American Spirit US Grown ? I have lots of McClintock Red, but I love the light, so it would be nice to convert it myself. Any Ideas ?
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- making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall leonard on Wednesday, 28-Nov-2007
sorry the above is " how to convert McClintock Red Into McClintock light ?" do you think it's just a matter of adding 50 % or so more bright verginia ? or is there something in the red that is not in the light at all ?
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- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 29-Nov-2007
I had to chuckle, excuse my ignorance :)
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Why?
Would you want to convert Mc Red to Mc Lite?
I mean after all.... all you have to do is just BUY the Mc Lite!
Same price... OR maybe the point is an alchemy lesson? :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 29-Nov-2007
Ok sorry.... I didn't notice that you had all this Mc Red and didn't like it anymore and wanted to ... convert :)
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My best suggestion would be take it back to the store and exchange it.
My second best suggestion would be to actually go and get some Mc Lite and blend it with the Mc Red :) It's going to be a whole lot cheaper than blending it with Wind Sail, and you already like the Mc Lite :)
My third best suggestion would be get some of those Rizla Blue Charcoal tubes. They pretty much turn anything into 'Lite' :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall leonard on Thursday, 29-Nov-2007
it sounds like you might not know what makes the mcClintock light different from the McClintock red. most of the time in the premade world a light version of a full flavor brand is just lighter, or just a watered down version of the same FF blend with a row of holes in the filter. McClintock light is nothing like that, as is most lights in the MYO/SYO world. McCtk light is a different blend all together. It is sweeter, nuttier and brighter. Some say it's not really a light at all, like the name might have you think it is. smoking a McCtk red with a light tube is a red that's hard to get a good draw off from. It tastes to me like it has much more bright and sweet Virginia in it, and maybe a nice toasted burly for the nutty part of the taste. blending it with tobacco i have on hand will not make it cost more since it's all going to be smoked up anyways. McCtk light should have a different name since the blend is so different from the red. I was hoping someone would have some ideas. I have a few ounces of my second attempt curing as I type. it is
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McCtk Red 33.6 grams
Bali shag red 33.6 g
Ramback Balkan 15.8 g
Two Timer 15.8 g
one tbl spoon of
McMasters Scotch for extra moisture for curing.
then a heavy weight pressing down on the blend for a week or so
to get the flavors to marry up nicely. the scotch might be the thing that makes the blend not taste like McCtk Lt, oh well, it will still be good. i have plenty more McCtk Red to convert to the light. about a pound more
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Monday, 03-Dec-2007
Yo Merlin!
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If you think that adding Bali Red, RB Balkan not to mention 2 Timer to McRed is going in the direction of making it Mc Lite... all I can say is... You Must Be Joking! :)
That's like saying If You Chop Up A Scotch Bonnet & A Jalapeno and mix them together you get a Sweet Red Pepper! :)
Not to say that the mix you're playing with won't produce a tasty smoke, it just won't even come near Mc Lite.
And just as an aside, if you're going to use Scotch in your blending potions... try not to use cheap well water. McMasters is a a cheap 80 proof scotch. McMasters is to scotch what the Yugo was to automobiles :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kl on Thursday, 06-Dec-2007
Yo Merlin ?
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Why the name calling, sarcasm and elitist condescending attitude ? Don't you think that it would be more appropriate to offer blending options (in your opinion) than to make a penis size contest out of a simple question in a forum ?
I don't think this question insulted anyone.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe your ego is very important to the quality and usefulness of this forum.
Do you really think that the scotch should be some elite high dollar scotch just to spritz one time on some tobacco you said was all low end tobacco anyways ? that doesn't make sense to me.
It's always been funny to me how some people will frequent a simple subject forum like tobacco then talk like (in the forum) some elite autocratic master far above another person they never talked to before. I believe this sort of thing will just drive people away from this forum and maybe even the MYO scene.
What ever happened to common courtesy ?
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Thursday, 06-Dec-2007
Right up front I'm going to mention, It's not what you say, it's how you say it! Everything I've said was with a smile.
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As for the Scotch.. the answer is Yes! I do think that one should use something other than 'Well Water'. The Reason? Being a Chef since the Last Supper, I've found, that the end result is only as good as the ingredients that you use.
You think I'm talking above him? His original question was misunderstood by several people, myself included. I'm no blend master & I'm no authority on anything here. I don't subscribe to this namby pamby diversity / inclusion / OH please walk on egg shells way of speaking.
You ask ... What ever happened to common courtesy ? I ask, What ever happened to the people that can take a joke? :)
(I guess they became democrats :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kl on Thursday, 06-Dec-2007
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If I had the good stuff scotch and the well water scotch I would spritz the tobacco with the well water scotch cause it's just going to dry up then be smoked. I would drink the good stuff. but I don't drink, so the McMasters scotch would be an old bottle just hanging around the house with nothing else to do, I would not waste the money on good stuff at all. you would do the same.
There is a difference between humiliating someone and joking :)
What about at the end of this thread, you could have answered the last question to you, and showed the OP that you are civil after all.
P.S.
The original question was only misunderstood by 2 people not several, yourself included first. Oh, almost forgot :)
- Re: making McCtk Red into McCtk light ?
- Posted by kendall leonard on Thursday, 29-Nov-2007
Q "My best suggestion would be take it back to the store and exchange it."
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A the light is on back order
Q "My second best suggestion would be to actually go and get some Mc Lite and blend it with the Mc Red "
A I cant see how that would work, the blends are too different. you would have to blend in so much light to over power the red that it wouldn't be practical.
Q "get some of those Rizla Blue Charcoal tubes. They pretty much turn anything into 'Lite' :)
A we already covered that one. the blends are too different.
- Re: making McCtk Red into McCtk light ?
- Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 29-Nov-2007
You are adding Scotch for moisture and aren't sure that it will change the taste? Try distilled water. Scotch has a very distinct taste and I am pretty sure isn't a component of McLt.
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Maybe try 15.9 grams of Ramback Balkan in the next blend.
Yes, tongue was firmly planted in cheek for the above comments.
However, Dano made some very good suggestions.
- Re: making McCtk Red into McCtk light ?
- Posted by kendall on Friday, 30-Nov-2007
Kerry : I don't think you read my post very well.
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I said : "the scotch might be the thing that makes the blend NOT taste like McCtk Lt, oh well, it will still be good.
Any of the things in the blend might be the thing that makes it NOT taste like the Mc light. And i said the scotch might be one of them. I have used scotch many times. I know it will change the taste. Nothing i said sounded like I wasn't sure that it will change the taste. I even said "oh well, it will still be good" and it will. this was just a small amount, I started with only 33 grams (that's just what was in that one small bag). I have a pound to convert.
please explain this comment :
"However, Dano made some very good suggestions."
why would you say something like that ?
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Mike on Monday, 03-Dec-2007
This is a perfectly lagit blenders question posted in a blenders forum. You two guys are making it sound like it's a doumb question, and i cant for the life of me figur out why ?
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Take the tobacco back ? thats the best blenders answer you got ? or add more McLt to the Mc red ? that sounds like a joke
Anyways :
Mc Lt tastes to me like it has much more Sweet Virginia in it than the red, (the red being much more fuity smelling will make it hard. Maybe air it out first) But i bet more virginia is not all it will take. try two timer for the nutty taste and ramback balkan in same equal amounts to the virginia. I know it sounds like all the other blends but I bet it's a close start.
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Monday, 03-Dec-2007
It may well be a legit question but the answer is, it's an exercise in futility! And here's why.
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He said he likes the Lite, has a bunch of the Red and wonders how to make the Red taste like the Lite. Mc Lite is probably the 'Litest' SYO tobacco on the market. To bring the Red down to the Lite taste, you are going to have to blend it with a much lighter tobacco And/Or stuff it onto a lighter tube. Using Windsail to mix with might be a good idea but Windsail isn't 'Lite' and is light years away from tasting like Mc Lite. Using tobacco's like Bali Red, RB Balkan or 2 Timer which are all heavier than Mc Red isn't going to make it taste like Mc Lite either.
He didn't present this as an academic blending question, more like a plea for help with being stuck with a tobacco that he really didn't like. In that vein it's perfectly Legit to suggest blending the Lite & Red together and using a lighter tube.
Now, if reason refuses to dawn on this subject, I suggest that you take the Mc Red, add a few sprigs of Mint and wrap it in a Virgins Panties for a week. :) It may not taste like Mc Lite, but you'll have one hell of a good time trying to find a Virgins Panties :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall on Monday, 03-Dec-2007
when you say it like this, I understand your logic, but dont agree on a few points. like Ramback balkan being heavier than mc light, to my taste it's about the lightest tobacco i have smoked in a long time, (when smoked by it's self it is much lighter than Mc light and i agree that 2 timer and windsail are less light but RB balkin tends to really make things lighter, to my tastes that is ) I agree that trying for an EXACT match might very well be an exercise in futility, Heck, Something anywhere close would be fine or not at all would be fine too, after all i could just smoke it the way it is. The question WAS ment as an academic blending question for sure. I didn't know of a better way of asking. I did have a strong feeling it wassn't comming across the way it was ment. and I said so a few times. I'm not trying to save money. I have just about every kind of tobacco on hand one could want (About 18 kinds), just to have a little fun blending and smoking a veriaty while wroking on a computer all day. This is a cool forum and that was about the only question I had, thats not worked out on my own as of yet. your 2nd responce has usefull info that will help and I thank you for spending the time on it, you didn't have to and you did anyways, thats very cool.
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this question has been way over worked and is now totaly ruined :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by O RLY on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
Did I just read Dano say that
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"Ramback balkin is heavier than Mc Red" ???
Ramback Bulkin is an Ultra Light if it's anything. Tons lighter than Mc red.
Tastes are a subjective thing but I would never say that Bali Red is heavier than Mc Red. D&R's Two Timer is maybe just as heavy as Mc red.
Quote:
"Windsail isn't 'Lite' and is light years away from tasting like Mc Lite"
Burley alone is light years from tasting like a Marlboro or a camel but it's in there all the same. This is true with almost all other blends. Blends are quite different than the sum of their parts.
I think you might be able to air out that mc Red to reduce the apple smell and give it try. Pause at each step and compare side by side with the Mc light. You can get it close.
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- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
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This worked pretty good
1 part Mc Red (aired out a bit)
1 part Ramback Balkan (to lighten it up)
1 Part Danish Export (to add the sweet and nutty notes of Mc Lt)
it's just a touch lighter than Mc light and quite close in taste. I smoked them side by side. I didn't give the blend time to meld together yet like I should. It's a little too pricey to do on a large scale. Reg. Mc Light is cheaper then this blend (only 18.00 per/Lb). I think I will only do it on a small scale and keep most of the red alone and smoke it as is for something different after all :)
Mc light is not very light to me. As lights go, Penhooker light, Danish Export, Ramback Balkan, Turkish Export, The 3 Castles and Bali Light are much lighter than Mc Lt, too my tastes.
(I'm a 30 year smoker so maybe i can't taste crap anymore :)
these are the only other lights I have on hand right now to compare lightness too. The 2 Turkish blends are so light I can't smoke them alone at all.
BTW. This post is meant as a contribution to a blending forum only
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
Ok Ok Ok! :)
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Now that you mention it I have to admit that you are entirely right. The RB Balkan (imho) is an airy ethereal smoke that is at the other end of the spectrum in relation to Mc Red. When I typed that I was probably thinking about one of the Ramback's or maybe Ryback's.
The tone of his question led me to assume he was unfamiliar with MYO and the question sounded like the one we all asked when we started, I smoked Marlboro's, what tobacco do I buy that tastes like it? :)
Since he has all these tobacco's around, and he's just grooving in the blending world my thoughts are, he'll never turn Mc Red into Mc Lite but he'll probably come up with some interesting and tasty smokes. Ultimately, everybody likes what they like and despite the fact that my wife actually likes the Mc Lite, I find it rather pedestrian. From my point of view, one shouldn't be trying to turn something into Mc Lite but into Mc Virgina :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by O RLY on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
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I didn't see your newest post (disclaimer) when I posted my newest post.
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- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
trying to turn something into into Mc Virgina would be even harder. it's not so much of a blend as Mc Lt is. I still have 2 1/2 cans of Mc Virginia anyways.
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I'm not at all unfamiliar with MYO , it's just the way you took it. I gave 3 examples of possible blends options in the first question since it is a blend forum and all. I also posted an attempt at something just nice and even spritzed it with scotch which is not just like Mc Lt and still got sarcasm for Not trying to get it exactly the same. (not by you) But lets not make too much of a simple question and ruin the whole point of this forum.
Thanks again for your contribution on this way over worked post :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by O RLY on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
I'm not sure what you mean anymore ?. I agree with your May 13th review, but not your Dec 3rd. Don't you agree they contradict each other ?.
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Quote : dec 3rd
Using tobacco's like Bali Red, RB Balkan or 2 Timer which are all heavier than Mc Red isn't going to make it taste like Mc Lite either.
On May 13th 2007 you said this about how light Ramback balkan is:
Quote: may 13th
" RB Balkan is the lightest smoke D&R makes, a real lite smoke"
Posted by Dano on Sunday, 13-May-2007
"I made an order last week and got a cup of the Ramback Balkan.
So here's what I think. First, when I opened the cup, the color is... eye catching. It's like pumpkin with bright yellow in it. I don't know what you call the cut but it's like the rest of the Ramback. It injects just fine and it really doesn't smell like anything in the cup.
My first impression was... Whoooo... this is a Lite smoke!
I've tried all of D&R's offerings labeled 'lite'. (Venguer, Roland etc.) and none of them are anywhere near 'lite'. I mean, I like the Roland Lite, and the Venguer is ok but certianlly both are nowhere near being a 'lite' smoke.
Let me put it like this, you light up, inhale, you don't feel anything in the lungs, it's like you didn't inhale, then... you get this very subtle taste on the tongue, on the exhale you get that subtle oriental/Virginia taste.
I was a McClintock Virgina smoker and made this last order in the hope of getting some of the new Roland Gold but let me say straight out, this new Ramback Balkan is excellent! A Home Run! I had no idea it would be like this.
This is the lightest smoke D&R makes, a real lite smoke, but at the same time it has such subtle flavor that anybody that likes Virginia tobacco is gonna love this.
I got a couple of pounds of Windsail Platinum in this order and believe me, i stuffed the cup of Balkan and kinda regretted ordering the Platinum (which I like). "
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- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
No, it's not a contradiction at all. First, earlier today I said I mistyped about the RB Balkan being heavier than the Mc Red, saying that at the time I made that post I was thinking about either Ramback or Reyback. (regular or Gold in both cases as it may be) I conceded that point, but I maintain that the other 2 tobacco's mentioned are as strong or stronger than the Mc Red. Lets be real, Bali Shag, no matter what color the pouch is, is today, a crap pedestrian tobacco. It's the pouch staple of the cheap smoke shops along with Zig Zag, Bugler & McClintock.
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Secondly, I stand by my May post about the Ramback Balkan. As I said in my last post today, it's an airy & ethereal smoke and I find it quite nice. However I was talking about it in relation to other D&R offerings. I wasn't comparing it to low end commercial blends like McClintock Light or Red. You know perfectly well that D&R Tobacco's that carry the 'Lite' label are anything but in comparison to tailor made smokes.
And in closing :) I applaud your due diligence in digging out ancient posts but you should have tuned the 'Way Back' machine to the comments I made about McClintock Light, how I stuff it for my wife on a daily basis while mentioning that the only reason I can find as to why she likes a smoke that tastes like a Burning Leaf my be related to a fall she took as a young child, out of a tree :)
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
Dano :
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What do you smoke on a daily basis ? or even for a change now and then ? you got me wondering when you said " tailor made smokes " I totally agree with your low end rating of the above tobaccos
Myself, it's quite a few D&R offerings straight and blended with some of Stokkebyes private stock (the tall 10.6 oz tins) The casings of the stokkebye blends get to me after a while.
P.S. My wife is a total smoke Nazi. I'm lucky if i can smoke at all in the house, and it's winter outside.
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by kendall on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007
I should have said it more like this
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quite a few D&R offerings straight and blended.
and sometimes some of Stokkebyes private stock
- Re: making a McClintock Red to McC light ?
- Posted by Dano on Friday, 07-Dec-2007
Yoho Kendall,
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I used to smoke the Mc Virginia exclusively on a daily basis but now that it's gone I've switched to S.J. Rimboche and Rowland Gold. Every month I'll order a big bag of both, smoke through the SJ, then the Rowland.
I have a high regard for D&R's tobaccos. I've tried all of them except for maybe the menthol blends and the Cock Strong. I find all their blends interesting and distinctive. Since their Roland Gold is supposed to be the Mc V replacement, I hope they tweak it some. It's a little off on the exhale, but still pretty good :)
That's not to say that I don't like other companies tobacco's. I find the Stokkebye London and Danish to be interesting. Purists might gag but I find the Tops Wildfire Line to be pretty tasty, especially the Strawberry and Vanilla. By this I mean, not as a daily smoke but strictly as an after dinner or change of pace smoke. (Women like the smell of those too :)
I like a good clove smoke also. But there's ALWAYS a problem if you order it online. It's either the tobacco is dried out, the cut isn't conducive to being injected into a tube or the vendor puts it in a common baggie in which case your entire order is going to reek of cloves! It's a bigger problem than you want :) So on that score, I'll just pick up some tailor made clove cigs, once or twice a year when I find myself in a local smoke shop.
And to be completely honest, I ran out of smokes between my last order and had a can of Bugler Gold in the background (I had some other stuff, Windsail blah blah blah but I turned to the Bugler). I'm not a burly smoking guy, and I only had to smoke it until UPS showed up the next day, but, it turned out to be not so bad and IF I had to go to a smoke shop while waiting for my order to come in, I'd probably choose that over other offerings.
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