Filterless Tubes
All the crank machines can stuff filter-less tubes if the tube release is early enough. The Excel doesn't have an adjustable release and requires modification.
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- Need some help
- Posted by Sam on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005
I am looking for some advice for a MYO that has used excell filretless tubes and injected them with a full flavored tobacco for discriminating people. Old time smoker who smokes filterless premades would enjoy making his own needs advice on tobacco blends and the use of excell filterless tubes. Thanks a lot. Look forward to hearing from you
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Thanks
Sam
- Re: Need some help
- Posted by Dan on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005
I tried using excell filterless tubes with my Supermatic and was never satisfied with it so I went back to using a hand rolling machine. D&R Cockstrong blend makes a great old time smoke. My beloved zwares are no longer marketed,Gauloises being the most recent. If you like a true zware Charles Fairmorn Dark is the only one still available.
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- Re: Need some help
- Posted by Warren on Saturday, 22-Oct-2005
I use Excel filterlesss tubes with Top-o-Matic (the primary) and Suprematic Premier (backup) injectors. Both injectors work well, although Top-o-Matic is faster and maintance free. The Excel injector, which I bought to use for travel, oddly considering the name, doesn't work as well with nonfiltered tubes (even after applying the Dave's fix the other two still make much better nonfiltered sticks). You can check a thread on the new Top-o-matic injector, which I think is at present the best injector overall, here:
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I got mine from Lil' Brown Smokeshack for $34:
https://www.lilbrown.com/index.cfm?productid=331
One bit to watch about the tubes is that Excel seems to have two widths with no markings on the box to tell you what is inside. The narrower ones are a bit slower to mount on the injector. I noticed that any given store sells boxes of one or the other kind. I found the wider ones are at: D&R ( http://www.cigarettetobacco.com/stuffy3.htm ) and RYO Cigarettes ( http://www.ryocigarette.com/tobacco.html ). Since I had 25 boxes of narrower tubes, I had to sand-off some of the diameter of the nozzle on the Top-o-Matic (as described in the top-o-matic thread).
As to tobaccos, prior to MYO, I smoked nonfiltered (or with filters snipped off) Camels, Winstons, Luckey Strike, Chesterfield, Players Navy Cut, English Ovals, settling finally for the nonfiltered Natural American Spirit for the last twelve years (NAS: /Tobacco/Brands/114.html ).
Since MYO I have been smoking NAS tobacco (original blend) with few a day of Gauloises ("mellow flavour", which is actually stronger of their two pouch tobacco blends), Black Death (/Tobacco/Brands/14.html ), Sagamore Natural ( /Tobacco/Brands/253.html ). The NAS/OB has the strongest kick and tastes especially well after a cigarette of the mentioned alternatives (this is not blending, but one pure kind after the other). The D&R Two Timer is similar to NAS/OB, except that it is milder, a trait I don't care for. Other variants of NAS (US grown and Organic) are also milder than NAS/OB.
- Re: Need some help
- Posted by Tom on Tuesday, 25-Oct-2005
i have had better success with the excel injector than the supermatic. but i find that the excel filterless tube a pain in the #*%&, to get a flat tube on the rounded tip of the injector (square peg v/s round hole). i use the roller box and end up with a better smoke than i get with the injectors. plus if i have a tobacco that with too much tar i just roll it with a filter.
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- Re: Need some help
- Posted by tom on Tuesday, 15-Nov-2005
i have had better luck with the roller box. Rizla has worked well for me. trying to stuff excel tubes takes way too much time and the results are less quality than if I rolled my tobacco by hand.
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as a bonus, i can use all the shake, dust or whatever you want to call it, from my bag, and roll it with a shag or rag cut tobacco and i end up not throwing any tobacco away. plus the shake or dust or whatever you call it, is from the better part of the leaf, it makes for a much better smoke!
- Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005
Whoa, were you trying to stuff them twice, or did I misread that?
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- Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
- Posted by Thomas on Tuesday, 10-May-2005
nope, you didn't misread. I did try stuffing them twice with no luck.
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that included filling the chamber to the absolute max. capacity, and underfilling. horrible experience when trying it with Athey
- Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005
LOL. I have no doubt that it was a horrible experience. I didn't have any problem just stuffing them once on the 100's setting. When I make them, the tobacco always came just short of the 'filter' end. This allowed me to give it a little twist to keep the tobacco from getting into my mouth.
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- Re: Supermatic and non-filter tubes
- Posted by Tim Aydt on Tuesday, 10-May-2005
Just go ahead and put in more tobacco. If it starts to bind, stop and clean it out. On the older Premier's, the 100's setting is called 'plain end'. When I tried making filterless cigs, I found that the 100's setting was by far the best setting for making them.
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