May be the best machine yet.
Posted by Gomer on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
why doesn't someone make a new automatic machine using this technology.
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- Re: May be the best machine yet.
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
To make an automated machine like those used in the cigarette factories for consumer use wouldn't be financially sound. First, some bright bulb out there would start making smokes to sell; a really bad idea at best. Second, a machine with those capabilities would draw instant government attention. The current offerings in electric machines; with their problems is as close as it's going to get I think. I'm hoping the new Magnum is all it's advertised to be, and if so; would the be the best invention yet for MYO--CMC crowd.
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Gomer, I have a new design Quick Roller Deluxe, and have used it extensively, but for reasons which I've listed in the Electric Section under Machines, I am now using my Topomatic exclusively! Captn Mike
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- Posted by Gomer on Sunday, 21-Oct-2007
Captain, what I had in mind was a machine that worked like the big machine, but rolled one stick at a time instead of a huge stick several feet long, cut to lengths and filters applied. I just thought
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that if someone wanted to make a machine, stop re-inventing the wheel and make a mini version of the real deal. I think the humpback is the closest thing to it so far. It just doesn't make filter cigarettes and by no means automatic.
Yea, Captain U-96 aka Mike, I understand, I have a Fresh Choice machine. Now that I have cut back on my smoking and just smoke 4 or 5 a day, I use my 4+ yr old supermatic II. My smokes stay fresher that way.
The Fresh Choice works pretty good now and I no longer need it. I am going to take it over to the tobacco store and see if he can sell it for me while it is still pretty new.
I still like rolled cigarettes better than stuffed. No more than I smoke now, I think I will order one of those humpbacks to see if it works as good as I remember.
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- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Sunday, 21-Oct-2007
That's what I thought you meant Gomer--a small machine that worked like the big ones do. A good machinist could make one I'll bet! I remember as a little boy at my babysitters house being taught to use one of those pull--over machines. Anne was from Russia, and her husband sailed on the Bethlehem Steamship Company all year till the Great Lakes froze over, then he came home and son's bummed Chesterfield Kings off him all day. Anyways, their son Frank taught me how to work the machine so I could make him smokes; then I ended up making them for the other brother too. I remember using Top and Bugler. Back in the late 80's I got one for myself so I could smoke Bugler rather than Camel. I wish I had that machine now that spare aprons are finally available. It would be nice to change machines now and then, you know B&W one day and Topomatic another.
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I didn't care for the Fresh Choice machine, because I felt it was way too expensive, and I knew from others it didn't use all types of tobacco without trouble. I'd bet your machine would sell in less than a week at a discount being used. I still haven't decided to sell mine yet. Like you I enjoy a nicely rolled smoke, and I have several small hand rollers, and I like Joker papers.
When I wear out one of my little hand roller aprons I will take it off and wash it in warm water & soap then turn it inside out, and it will last a little longer; I wonder if that would work on the B&W Hump? Good luck! Captn Mike
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- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
I can't answer that question, but I will ask another (tongue in cheek).
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Can I still get "One New Apron Free On Receipt of BUGLER, TARGET or KITE Label, Additional Aprons 5 cents each."? That's what it says on my old Brown and Williamson rolling machine which is very similar to the one you pictured. Although it works well, I still prefer my Zig-Zag roller if I actually roll one instead of injecting. Much more control with the newer model.
This may be a clue to why, in answer to your question. However, as I understand it, manufactured sticks are still "rolled" in a long section, then cut and filters added. I once saw an old film about this process for unfiltered Lucky Strikes, but I am not sure that is how they still do it.
As for your question, well, injecting is more popular and thus more marketable and profitable. That's seems to be it in a nut shell.
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- Posted by Gomer on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
No, Kerry, but you can buy 5 replacement aprons for $10.00.
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I would like to see someone come up with a automated roller, because that is the way manufactured cigarettes are made.
Note: Yea, I used to have a humpback roller (over 40 yrs ago) and it worked quite well as best I can remember.
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- Posted by Kerry on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
I am fairly certain the one I have is from either the 40's or the 50's, although it could be from the 60's. I guess I would have to talk to someone with more knowledge of these old machines to know for sure.
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The former owner was my ex father-in-law who was one of the scientists who worked on the Manhattan project at Oak Ridge. He died in 1991, before I really got to know the man.
It still works well, but the apron is getting frayed on the edges. Not sure how old the current apron is and I am pretty sure that I won't be using it enough to warrant buying more aprons.
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- Posted by Matt on Saturday, 20-Oct-2007
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Gomer,
5 aprons for $10.00 sounds like today's market price. Where did you get the machine? I've seen them on e-bay and once in a movie and have wanted one since.
- Re: May be the best machine yet.
- Posted by Gomer on Sunday, 21-Oct-2007
Matt,
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I found it at ryotobacco .... [link]
for 9.95
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- Posted by Hua Kul on Wednesday, 30-Jan-2008
I had never rolled before. I bought the humpback roller from ryotobacco but I must be doing something wrong. It rolls the cigarette so tight that I can't draw at all. What am I doing wrong?
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--Hua Kul
- Re: May be the best machine yet.
- Posted by Tom C on Wednesday, 30-Jan-2008
If the "Humpback" is true to the original Brown & Williamson I have, it can be a little difficult to judge the proper amount of tobacco to use. The size of the finished smoke is based on how much room there is in the apron for the tobacco roll. If you use more than this amount, the stick will be the same size, only packed tighter than it should be. Just try using less tobacco. The video on the Roll Your Own Magazine site is using a fairly good technique, so I would take another look at that.
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Good luck,
Tom C