Magnum Injector
An electric injector selling for $150. Information and reviews are on the Stuffing Your Own Magnum Injector page. Information/reviews on this page have been copied there.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Phil on Thursday, 20-Mar-2008
Well the Magnum is still stuffing a great smoke, just got to do some Pm'ing(preventive maintenance) each session, I will say the learning curve with practice will prevail, still learning this sweet machine, sorry just enjoy stuffing smokes with this machine! Don't give up, I'm a Newbie, take some time.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Linda on Sunday, 16-Mar-2008
I want to thank every one that has posted here. I decided after reading the posts here and watching Davids videos to purchase a magnum. I received it on Friday the 14th and started using it Saturday. Not a very good experience. So I used my crank and made my smokes. I came and read everything again but this time I read Davids review. That inspired me to not give up. I made some of the adjusments that were posted here and I can now make great smokes. Not very fast but I am still working on getting the tobacco amount right. My hands get very sore and swollen when I use the crank which is why I was looking for an electric. I am pretty sure that given time I will master the magnum. After all I had to master the HH and the crank. The magnum is just another way to learn. Again thanks I will be keeping my machine
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- New Magnum Movie
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Here it is, the long-awaited sequel to the award-winning demonstration documentary, it dispels all the myths raised about the first video regarding looseness of tobacco in the tube. As well as a popular myth that I was somehow hiding made cigarettes on the left-hand side of the Magnum and not actually injecting any. Be prepared for the action-packed thrill ride of a movie,
FULL FRONTAL MAGNUM [link]
Four minutes of frenzied action and colorful commentary with nothing hidden or edited or anything else. Watch it, enjoy it, hate it, I don't really care, but the one thing it is not is fake or somehow manipulated.
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
relax david
i doubt anyone thinks you faked anything besides one person.
I know i said I'd shut up, but......
was wondering if maybe they had already manufactured a number of machines, the likes of which went through the testing by DnR and others, and despite being found faulty, maybe decided to stick them on the public rather than eating the loss....just a thought and certainly not a hope or a wish
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
BTW here was the last 2 comments about my first video
HemlockHolyMan (8 hours ago)
Well cool video but the scoop on the MYO sites about this machine is, A: A lot of them come with the push rod not installed. B: A lot of people are returning them for refunds.This vid would have been better if he actually showed the cigs as they came off of the machine.
eriyas10 (7 hours ago)
The machines come with the push rod already installed. So far, I can tell you that less than 1% of the machines have been returned for refund - mostly by people who hadn't read the instruction manual. The slot is a little narrow and we're now in the process of making adjustments. All in all, we're greating fabulous reviews.
So there you have it less than 1% have been returned.
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
ahh got you
BTW and FWIW, I was given a link to Dan's site, went to put my x-ray on it, and alas it was a dead link, and now, mysteriously, my source for the link has gone silent about the issue.....I always did thrive on chaos
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by dan b on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
mike c, not sure where you got the bogus link, there was some downtime yesterday (my webhost goes down from time to time unfortunately)... but all my posts here and on SYO have had the link to my website on my name for the last 6 weeks, so the link isn't too hard to find.
Also I think those interested in the Magnum might want to check out Wazmo Nariz's (Slap Maxwell) and David Brown's (mrSCSI) reviews at my forum. David's pics of the machines internals were also posted yesterday here [link]
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Dan, I realize that-
my intention was not to get involved with anything else as believe it or not this forum is 10% of my output
nothing personal at all though I will admit that the lingering frustration of having to run screaming (through no fault of anyone but me) away from the clarence site still looms frigid on the soul......
I simply had my interest spiked admittedly by Slap's presence there and my protected source who may simply have gotten busy meanwhile!!!
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- (WAS) New Magnum Movie/(NOW) RYOREV
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 08-Mar-2008
Dan the link I was given is thus: www.syorevolution.com/forum
I kept going to it and going to it as the days passed
I'm amused
also, on the homepage what looked like a link to the forum was inoperative, at least to me, and I had to manually enter the forum onto my link
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Thank you David for the 2 great movies. I noticed that your push rod extends (what looks like) more than 3/4" after a fill. Next session I will adjust mine just a smidge more. What a cute doggie in your video. -JoanneP
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- Re: New Magnum Movie
- Posted by Phil on Friday, 07-Mar-2008
David,
Pretty cool #2 demo video, you are the man! first I stuff my the same way with no problem, made adjustment must been to to much and the rod come shooting out, crap-all well, just reinstalled made a couple adjustments, back to stuffing a perfect smoke again, this machine also come w/ slip saying this machine has been tested before shipment( still had some tobacco in the box) great job again David!!! cute dogie also!! I use McCintock menthol w/Premier menthol 100 tubes, my 100's don't fill all the way I reinstall tube and add a little extra tobacco and filled to the end, I am thinking of switching to filter Kings because these baby's burn up to 20 mins, over the counter burn up in 10 mins. these taste better. I have stuffed over 680 tubes, The wife and I smoke two packs a day each.
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- Re: Magnum -tweaking
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Hello all- I stuffed another carton this am with my Magnum. Wish I had timed myself. The session went very well this time. If you recall I had push rod problems upon delivery. The Magnum rep gave me great advice which I did not see in the user manual. Her advice was that after installing the push rod: re-tighten the compression screw to the maximum....and then loosen the screw 3 half turns (a full turn and a half) This new compression setting leaves the rod about 3/4 " from the nozzle after a filling. I am improving when it comes to tobacco amount....just 2 jambs and btw I found that using 2 plastic pen caps from Papermate pens scoop the jambed tb quick. Hubby & I like the firmness of the fill. I m filling Premier, Top & CT tubes with Farmers Gold (75% moisture) I gave up on the 100's tubes...too hard to twist on -JoanneP
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- Re: Magnum -tweaking
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
RE: Keeping it?
Hi David Wilson- YES the Magnum is worth the $150...to me anyway. I am keeping it. My arm was getting sore from all the cranking-lol. I was really looking for consistancy in the fill....I found it. I hope this machine will last awhile & won't cost a bundle for new push rods. Joanne P
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- Re: Magnum -tweaking
- Posted by David Wilson on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Thanks again JoanneP,
I do appreciate all the updates on the Magnum..
.. David ..
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- Re: Magnum -tweaking
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
I could be wrong but I do believe the rods are the same as a carbon fiber push rod for a radio control airplane. I will be taking my spare into tucson next time we go and stopping at a hobby shop to directly eyeball the 2 side by side. If it is they are not that expensive about 4 bux for a 36" one
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- Review page update
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Just updated my review page at
[link]
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- Re: Magnum Injector-Day Two
- Posted by Mark White on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
This machine has not lived up to my expectations at all. It jams super easy with the least bit of shake (push rod stalls while the motor continues to run). I was using Kentucky Select tobacco on the dry side. It seems to be well made but doesn't perform like the video on RYO site. Maybe the proto was finely tuned for the demo video. It's hard to get tubes on the brass nozzle and very hard to gage how much tobacco is in the chamber as it is too narrow to feel with your fingers.
I'm calling American Thrust tomorrow to see about returning it. I'll post here to let you know how that goes.
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- Re: Magnum Injector-Day Two
- Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008
American Thrust gave me excellent service from beginning to end. No problem returning the Magnum. I would order from them again in a heartbeat.
I wish the Magnum had worked out (sigh).
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- Re: Magnum Injector-Day Two
- Posted by David Wilson on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
This question is to all the Magnum owners that are still using their machine.. Well, after a few days of use what do you think? Is it worth the $150 bucks or should I stay with my Top O Matic?
.. David ..
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- Re: Magnum Injector-Day Two
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 06-Mar-2008
Mine is still running fine, I did finally have to charge it (about 430 sticks on the first charge) I am not about to tell someone what to do with thier money. For me the choice was simple with the disablilties both the wife and I have, we can crank but we can use the magnum so much easier.
As for the quality of smokes once you set the release to your preference, it makes every bit as good a smoke as any crank, I would say better because of not having to pack as well.
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- Re: Magnum Injector-1st Day of use
- Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
After a very rocky start (my rod was not installed before shipping) I sucessfully filled almost a carton of 1/2 Kings and 1/2 100's. I agree with Kent C that the nozzle is more embedded than my Supermatic...and the tube really has to be inserted quite far. More than a couple of tips were bent/torn/damaged while getting used to twisting the tubes on. The adjustment screw for the nozzle on my machine is square & could not be turned with the provided Allen Key-however it worked on the stop sign shaped screw adjustment for the compression spring when installing the pushing rod. ODD. I experimented with 3 different brands of tubes...one which was 100mm. The best/easiest were of the largest diameter and were the King size tubes. I luckily found in my toolbox the correct sized nut driver to adjust the nozzle screw. A 1/2 turn made putting the tubes on easier.
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- Re: 1st Day of use- continued
- Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
Guess it will take more practice in getting the right amount of tobacco...although it was great when a 3/4 full tube could be re-inserted and just add more to fill to the tip. When I used "the perfect" amount of tobacco I could fill a tube nice & firm without
cutting or tapping. I will update after my next session with the Magnum. -JoanneP
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- Re: 1st Day of use- continued
- Posted by David Wilson on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
Thank's JoanneP,
for the Magnum update.. I do appreciate you, sounds like the Magnum has a learning curve like the rest of the manual machines.. Looks like you really know your way around the toolbox haha.. You done a great job on the installation and adjustment, keep up the good work..
.. David ..
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- Installing push rod
- Posted by John Pearson on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
Hi JoanneP
I just got my machine today and am having issues.
A rod was installed, which came out when I tried to fill a cig.
Can't seem to get a rod installed.
I am pretty good mechanically, usually.
Any suggestions?
Thanx
John P
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- Re: Installing push rod
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
Hi JohnP-I understand your frustration as I was in the same boat yesterday. To be honest, I m not exactly sure what I did right before the rod finally went in. Try these steps in various order:
loosen compression spring with the provided Allen Key, push the metallic clip (near microswitch) to the rear of unit & insert the rod,
turn machine off, turn machine on (toggle back & forth), raise & lower the handle, firmly press the rod towards the chamber...while holding unit on lap (nozzle side on lap) The rod is only inserted from the right side of machine. I kept the unit plugged in during this
procedure to eliminate the variable of a possible low battery. I am
also pretty good mechanically but whoa....I feel your pain ...ya just want to get started filling those tubes. Keep us informed. JoanneP
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 26-Feb-2008
I stuck my neck out and ordered a Magnum yesterday from American Thrust. I'll report back here with first impressions as soon as I get it.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Mark White on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
I too am not thrilled with this machine (so far). In my 2 pack experience I found it jambs easily when filled slightly too much and produces an under filled cigarette when slightly too little tobacco is used. I had 4 or 5 rejects in a period of 1 pack. With the narrow tobacco chamber it's hard to get a 'feel' of how much tobacco is actually in the chamber. I can roll pack after pack of perfect cigs with my cranks and ended up finishing my session with my Premier. I'm considering returning it but will give it another try tomorrow. I will report back.
By the way, American Thrust provided me with excellent service
so far......confirmation email and tracking number. I had the product very quickly and it was packaged nicely.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by JoanneP on Saturday, 23-Feb-2008
David- I will let you know. -Joanne
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
I just ordered mine from American Thrust....yay!
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Wilson on Friday, 22-Feb-2008
Hey JoanneP,
congrats on the Magnum order.. Please Please Please let us know what you think....
.. David ..
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Phil on Monday, 25-Feb-2008
I ordered one on Friday 22nd and can not wait, I have been rolling now for about 7 weeks, had Top-o-matic and electric unit I should of kept the Top-o-matic, can't wait for The Magnun!!!! should be here Weds or Thurs of this week, I will post on how the unit performs.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Phil on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
I got my Magnum last night, put on charger and now using it today, I'm stuffing 100 mm, not sure why it is only filling tube about 3/4 of way? Will be contacting American Thrust today by e-mail, will post any info I receive
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by JoanneP on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
Hi Phil,
Did you have trouble installing the pushing rod? I got mine yesterday and charged for the recommended 12 hrs. Thought I was ready to go .....but cannot for the life of me install the pushing rod. I loosened the screw of the compression spring and pushed back (and held) the metallic blade of the inside microswitch. Just how firmly did you push the rod in the direction of the chamber?? I don't want to damage the machine or the rod. Did you re-tighten the screw? Perhaps you will reply faster than the response I am expecting via email from Magnum Injector. Thanks Much- JoanneP
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by dan b on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
I don't' have one, so can't say for sure but from studying the diagrams it appears to me that you should expect a fairly significant resistance when you insert the pushing rod.
Just be sure the machine is OFF. You will be back-driving the gearing and motor, so give it a firm push. Just be sure to keep the arm of the micro-switch clear of the end of the arm.
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Phil on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
Hi Joanne,
My machine had the rod installed, and no adjustments had to made. I did let my charge 12 hrs. well I'm sorry to hear that yours wasn't installed, but now you just gain more hands on knowledge, I did open my up to check componets inside, cute setup w/ all those little mirco switches inside, but tb would go inside unit over time @ lever area, nozzle is different than my hand crank, and I like the way it stuffs a cigarette, my electric stuffer was semi ok but don't miss the cherrys falling off down my wifes coat sleeve, she is happy again, I started reading on this site about 7 weeks ago and learned alot about tb & stuffing and lot of good ideas out there from everyone. Hope you enjoy yours, I do - a new toy to toy with. Thank you Phil
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Phil on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
Smokes are better than factory smokes, I going to keep the Magnum, just be nice to your new toy! use of dryer tobacco is very important not too dry, top-o-matic is great a stuffer (should of could of keep), Royale-Auto-roller (? w/time) Magunm is too new (Kick butt smokes), our smokes are better than any factory puffs and taste - well you be the Judge!! MAGNUM RULES my opinion
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
I agree with you just Phil, there's been way too much whining and disparagement. To all those disappointed, I can only suggest wait until there's a fully automatic machine that takes you out of the loop, because that's the only way I think you be satisfied.
I'm fully satisfied my Magnum have made over 200 sticks so far and after the initial learning curve, have achieved perfection. You can read my full review here [link]
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
well if nothing else I have nothing going on so I will comment here
this is what I was shooting at all along really: "new toys for the big boys"
as for my own slant, a lot of it is because of GENUINE sympathy picked up in reading about people's experience with the FC and whatever-rollers they had.
This gives me opportunity to share a slightly dark thought I had last night:
I couldn't imagine preferring a HH to a crank, and was thinking maybe even those machines are a little too much for everyone. I remember how afraid I was of them, and how well it ended up working out for me.
Anyway, glad to see a great attitude about this new machine-
also must admit I am thankful that there are qualities about it that keep it off my own list since I don't have the cash anyway (drying tobacco, I can't be bothered, and DO NOT read this as a poke, it is NOT, seems most everyone dries the tobacco)...anyway, I would send my positive wishes that it keeps going, but imagine you don't need the sentiment, as you're the man for this, and you'll keep it working I am certain.
happy for you!!~! (:-)
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Phil on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
David, you said more than a mouth full, Thank you I would have to take vacation to put all your techniques together your in words, you are correct on every point, and my crank I should keep, but I sold to a co-worker who enjoys a quality smoke, he offered to sell it back because I was disappointed with Royle-o-Matic, all well no more hot cherry's down my wife's shirt sleeve while driving down the highway not a good thing! I said we will have a quality cigarette soon dear when the Magnum arrives(yea right!) now she told me today they are better than any over the corner Cigs, can't wait to see your video, glad to hear that someone has taken a little time to put it through the test!! I have- rolled well over 400 - 100's McClintock Menthol w/ Menthol Premier tubes, main point is not over full bt chamber, start with a little less tb and test, tube under filled no problem put back on injector and add little more tb and your done, the tb can be a little moist with little or no problem, just remember to under fill chamber to till you have it down pat.
Thanks again David
Great post!!
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Mark White on Monday, 03-Mar-2008
I see you still can't concede that some may have not been set up properly eh Dave?
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by David Brown on Monday, 03-Mar-2008
I was busy doing other things, I'll concede that
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008
By the looks of that video, you've been busy cranking out lots of sticks! (ha-ha) I'm sending mine back today. I was sorely tempted to just exchange it after seeing your video but I'm a little gun shy right now. Good luck with your Magnum, I hope it serves you well.
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Kent C on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008
Mark - it looks like magnum sent out some machines with rods installed and some not. Mine came installed with a special slip of paper that said that it was tested by actually making some cigarettes and there were a few strands of tobacco in the packaging, and the rod had some 'dust' on it which indicates that they actually did do that. This may have been a 'new' development in quality control that didn't occur on the first one's shipped. It is likely that there are still both types out there in stock, but just thought I'd relay that info to you. If you want an exchange, you might have someone at Am. Thrust physically check the machine to see if a rod is installed already.
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- Re: Magnum Injector-pushing rod?
- Posted by Mark White on Tuesday, 04-Mar-2008
Thanks for the info Phil. The machine has been sent back but I'll keep what you said in mind should I order another down the road. For now it's a wait and see thing though. The machine DID seem very well built to me, maybe just not adjusted right.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Kent C on Wednesday, 27-Feb-2008
I got mine today and just plugged it in and started using it. The rod was already installed. I made no adjustments. It takes some getting used to but I was able to load 5 packs fairly easily. I've smoked about a half of a pack so far and the cigs are burning uniformly just like with supermatic stuffs (which was not the case with the Quick Roller - spiralled and falling cherries).
I have hydrated tobacco which it seems to load well - showing @69% on the hygrometer but I began getting some problems as the tobacco dried out - messing around more than usual, so it was sitting out longer. But I like the way the rod 'taps' the very end, no 'cutting or thumbnailing' needed, and it does a pretty good pack at the filter end - a bit less packed than I get with the Premiere Super but then I hold the tube on the nozzle during the stuff phase to get a good pack on that, which isn't needed or feasible with the magnum. I don't see this as a problem - there's enough there to hold up the tube and I rarely had to tap the cigarette after the load.
The problem I was getting with the dryer tobacco was probably 'too full' in the slot. I wasn't tamping it in but more was getting in. One thing about the slot is that it is longer although narrower than the Super, so I had to adjust to that. One could easily overstuff by tamping and you'll get a slug of tobacco at the nozzle that doesn't make it into the tube. This happened about 4 times in the five packs but mainly toward the end. Part of that may have been a tube not fully seated to the hilt of the nozzle.
One thing that I didn't like so much, but which Excel people might not find so difficult, is the nozzle being embedded more into the machine's shell than the supermatic. The angle cut of the nozzle is from the top to the bottom and a bit different on the habit of 'angling the tube' on the nozzle but one just has to develop a new habit. I'm also working it opposite the supermatic - nozzle on the right now, so I can still use my square 'cracker' plastic box to feed the tobacco onto the machine well.
fyi - I'm using a 3-1-1 mix of Rowland Light, McClintock Light, and McClintock Menthol so it's a 'semi-shag' mixture. Haven't tried straight shag or anything else yet.
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- Re: Magnum Injector - continued...
- Posted by Kent C on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
After a few more sessions with the magnum...
I could probably load a tube on an Excel now :-) Not a problem it was the first time. The last two times I didn't try to load as many packs so I didn't have the dry tobacco problem. Only on the last cigarette today did I not get a full fill and had to run it through one more time. The cigarettes are still holding up as good as supermatic fills - uniform burning.
It is about the same time to load a pack as it is for me to load a pack with the supermatic - @5-6 minutes. For me, the not having to crank, is a benefit because I had an elbow operation a few years back where that arm isn't 100%, but if someone doesn't have any problems like that and have been able to use a crank machine with ease and no problems, then it probably isn't worth the extra $ to buy one, esp. if it would pinch the budget.
I tend to agree with Kerry's assessment on feedback and the crank machines - there is some feedback on the magnum, but it isn't in the 'feel' you get with the supermatic - with the magnun the "feedback" is in the resulting stuffing in the cigarette and one can adjust to that but it takes more experience with this machine - you're not going to feel anything, but I'm thinking most regulars here could figure it out rather easily.
Some of the comments by Lipps and others on dry tobacco doesn't follow my experience. I've found just the opposite, but that may be in the definition of 'dry' or 'hydrated' - again my hygrometer is reading around 69-70% and if I set it outside of the tupperware, it almost immediately goes to a 50-55% reading. The tobacco, of course, takes longer to dry out and the difference in setting out the tobacco for just 3 packs (last two sessions) vs. 5-6 packs and some delays getting used to it on the first session seemed to have made a difference for me.
So far I've had no problem with the rod. On a few occasions of overstuffing in the first session, it made a few stops along the way, 'grinding' for a second then continuing. That hasn't happened recently and I think it is all in the stuffing. While I hesitate to use certain 'phrasing' on how to stuff (see my 'wedge' post ;-), Dave B's description of 'washboarding' does make sense to me. I'm moving the tobacco over the slot back and forth with both index fngers and thumbs to fill without any tamping.
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- Re: Magnum Injector - continued...
- Posted by Kent C on Monday, 03-Mar-2008
A six pack session today. I got the tobacco out of the tupperware for three packs, twice - and that works better for me. Only one screwup at the very end and I think it was because of the dry shake left. I find that about a half of the pack (smokey plastic pack) I can put a stick right in, off the machine. Others need a tap and find myself tapping upside down, as someone once suggested, then putting it in. I've experimented a bit with the normal stuff in the slot, then sliding it away from the nozzel end a bit - I think someone mentioned a 2/3's fill. I'm still filling the full amount but just sliding it with one finger toward the rod end. That seemed to get the better fill. I also tried some straight McC shag and while there's a bit more working it into the slot, it stuffed just fine.
Unless, I run into problems this will be my last 'update' unless anyone has any questions or things to try....
Regards,
Kent
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Phil on Saturday, 01-Mar-2008
Hi JoanneP,
How is it going with your new unit, have been waiting for more feed back on the Magnum, I say for sure the first time using this machine is the same as anything very easy but fooled me till I stop over filling and no problems, tubes need to be seated @ a angled, tubes some don't fit, some the lip up rolls over and will not allow tube slide on, wish the Premier tubes we better sized better for this machine, I expect more feed back with more good stuff-in' now w/ Magnum, well worth my 149.95 Thanks To American Thrust, Joanna - if not for your posts on this site a while back I would not even hear when Magnum would be available so Thanks JoannaP.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by American Thrust Tobacco on Thursday, 21-Feb-2008
We have the injector in stock and it is ready to ship! www.americanthrusttobacco.com
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- American Thrust email reply
- Posted by JoanneP on Saturday, 16-Feb-2008
I emailed American Thrust yesterday with a forward of the response I got from Magnum Injector and received this reply today:
"We will be receiving the Magnum Injector very shortly. We will make a note in your file to contact you as soon as they become available for purchase" Felicia D/Customer Service/1-888-528-5216
/American Thrust Tobacco LLC
I agree with your statements below as I am a business owner & would not run my business that way. Still, I am very anxious to try the Magnum and don't much care how I get the new injector in my hands. I sit down to inject 3 times per week (for hubby & I) and any time savings ....and consistency of the process would please me. I will post any new info as received. -Joanne
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- American Thrust email reply/Magnum Injector
- Posted by David Wilson on Sunday, 17-Feb-2008
Thank's JoanneP,
I to am looking forward to trying the Magnum Injector.. Ive been watching and listening for any new news that was available on the matter.. I sit down 2 to 3 times a week for the wife and myself, I have plenty of time to roll.. I'm looking for a more consistent cigarette that I have rolled myself, without the need for snipping or tamping the cigarette so the tobacco goes all the way to the butt.. Thanks for your help, and I look forward to the next update....
.. David ..
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- email reply from Magnum Injector
- Posted by dan b on Monday, 18-Feb-2008
I got a reply from Magnum Injector Info this morning which I'm sure will be good news to those who are anxiously awaiting their availability.
"We just sent a few hundred of machines to distributors. Now we will make the manual available. Check our website."
The manuals are online, but I consider them a bit of a disappointment.
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- Magnum Injector?
Posted by David Wilson on Saturday, 16-Feb-2008
Where you at Magnum Injector?
You say this and you say that but I haven't seen or heard of anything indefinite as of yet.. If I had a new product that I wanted to put on the market I do believe I would have a little more information for my future customers.. To me a dead web-site just doesn't cut it , I mean when is the product coming out, who will be carrying it and so on.. A maybe here and a maybe there just gets peoples hopes up, but eventually you will be forgotten....
(image curtisy of MagnumInjector.com)
.. David ..
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by JoanneP on Thursday, 07-Feb-2008
Updated info. An email reply I received from Magnum Injector states that one of the distributors will be American Thrust....however a reply from American Thrust states that their company is not yet aware that they will be distributing the Magnum Injector. Crossing my fingers that it won't be a much longer wait and I don't much care where I can get one....just excited to try it.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by JoanneP on Tuesday, 15-Jan-2008
Hello- Any new info about who will be distributing the Magnum Injector? I can't wait to try it.
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- SOmething better than the Magnum Injector
- Posted by Rothrock on Wednesday, 06-Feb-2008
This thing is pretty cool, sure it costs several grand but pretty cool looking none the less. www.magiccig.com
Someone must have broken into Freddie's house and stole some of his cig making machine ideas. Fortunately for us, Freddie never writes down nor takes very clear photos of his complete machine ideas/prototypes so this machine I am sure will have some serious flaw that only Freddie would know how to remedy correctly, probably using only a grainy internet video and some calipers.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dwayne on Saturday, 29-Dec-2007
Does anyone know where I could purchase one of these? Magnum e-mailed me saying that they had a few hundred going to distributors.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dwayne on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Oh man! I am excited to see that website of Magnums up and running. I am getting one as soon as it is available for sale. I have got to admit that I was getting worried a little that they might be having major problems but it seems that all will be ok.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest Lipps on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY,
ITS AVAILABLE. [link]
PETE
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Nice catch Pete! Are you planing on getting one? Looks good, and because there is no spoon to take up space you get a solid, uniform pack straight off the machine! YES! Capt Mike
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Ernest Lipps on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
God yes Captain, will buy soon as available always ready to try new things. If they don't work move'em over to EBay :-)). This has gotten more airtime or net discussion than anything, including my Easy Roller which traveled the EBay route at a small profit. I have very much enjoyed the positive/negative comments on this one, God we all get bored on winter days don't we.
Pete
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
I like trying new things too. My Quick Roller went back to E-bay as well at a small loss. I don't mind though; as I enjoyed having it, and it did get me on my way faster on several occasions when I was called out and had to leave fast. From what I have observed of the Magnum in operation; I think it may be the one if it can handle all the different tobaccos I use without problem. I might be wrong, but I have never seen Doug Kennedy stick his neck out on anything but a cranker before? Doug had use of the Magnum for a time too, and hasn't said anything negative yet. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Capt Mike
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dwayne on Monday, 24-Dec-2007
Do the folks working on the Magnum have any input available for the recent comments here? We would not mind any kind of info even a response from someone from Magnum stopping in to say hello would be a relief considering that we have not heard anything in quiet some time now.
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Mike on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
www.magnuminjector.com [link]
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by mike c on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
right on mike, whichever one you are
new toys for the big boys not too far off
may there be peace in the valley
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- Re: Magnum Injector
- Posted by Dave Lers on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
Thanks Mike. I added a link to your post (using the full URL, http:/..., would have created one automatically) and updated the topic with that and a bit more. While its nice to see something, their webmaster might try viewing the site in a few more browsers. The visuals are slightly flawed in all three of my browsers (Konqueror, Firefox and Opera on Linux).
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- Vaporware
- Posted by Ervin Parker on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
Although I hear lots of talk regarding the Magnum Injector is sadly appears the Magnum Injector is vaporware.
The site Magnum Injector was supposed to be up before Thanksgiving and yet it's now only a few days before Christmas and still no word regarding product delivery.
If the people behind the Magnum Injector would give us -- the potential customers -- some factual information regarding product development and availability... it might actually help maintain enthusiasm/customer support.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by David Brown on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
Well Ervin, I would venture a guess that you are part of the "I want it all the want it now" generation. And you're probably a member of the "if it don't work I will sue you'' generation as well.
Would it not be a fair assumption that maybe the reason it is taking so long is that they have to make it so idiot proof, that anyone with a very limited education can understand how to use the machine and use it to its potential. A task I might add that I would not want to be challenged with.
If for some reason you are not of the above two generations your writing suggests that you least believe as they do, my advice to you is don't worry, be happy and we will either get the Magnum or we won't. No amount of arguing no amount of prodding and no amount of whining or no amount of complaining is going to change the minds of the developers, nor should it.
You say that you want the developers to "give potential customers factual information regarding product development" now having been in business as long as I have that statement has to be one of the most asinine statements I've ever read.
Because unless you're a stockholder or on the Board of Directors of a company you as a "potential customer" have absolutely no right to any information regarding the development and really shouldn't expect it.
Should the people involved in the Magnum somehow in your mind be forced to reveal all their development information to you and every other potential customer and then what would you say if a competitor beat them to the marketplace with a substandard unit.
I'll bet you wouldn't blame yourself for wanting that information made public, just a hunch on my part.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
Gmoin! David + all....
I pretty much risked my neck telling what the deal is, luckily it didn't tax me.....
the machine had bugs and they're fixing them...that simple...
next, read between THESE lines
there are other pastures nobody knows about yet, me included.....I just know they are on the horizon........
as far as this year, that year, what, when, how, why, etc.....NO CLUE
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Dave Lers on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
Re competitors: See the patent link in the topic. I'm sure there's enough there for the Chinese to clone it.
Re information: I was reading the Aptera (electric/hybrid vehicle) site last night. Those vehicles won't be available for some time. Their site provides a lot of information - what is, what will be and what is still under consideration/development. If Magnum had a site up and running, there would be a lot less posts on this page and Magnum would have a lot more credibility.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by mike c on Saturday, 22-Dec-2007
the fact that he (Magnum) or (she) , whatever Magnum is, came on here, then disappeared, just didn't look good
No offence really, but when he she or it first appeared I thought it odd that an alias was needed (or shall I say chosen) (for a prospective company wanting business)
maybe I'm wrong, but I'd better trust an actual named person
I don't (really) need or particularily want one myself anyway, never really did
clones of it huh??? that wasn't what I was aluding to myself, at least I don't _think_ so!!! ??? !!!
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Dave Lers on Sunday, 23-Dec-2007
Well, clones only seem to be made of successful and proven designs that have a strong market share. I don't think we'll see a Magnum clone any time soon. My point was that competition is a non issue [more details than we care about, or would want to see on a website, are already available to potential competitors] and a lousy reason for the Magnum folks not to have an informative website. [edited]
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Sunday, 23-Dec-2007
I kind of agree with the last half of your last sentence; but you'd be shocked, I'm sure, at how many otherwise savvy, successful businesses still either have no clue about web-presences or don't think they're important enough (and don't believe they'll be able to offer a significant ROI) without an actual "thing" to sell.
I'm of the personal opinion that DK was a bit ahead of himself by releasing the video of the Magnum on his site. I'm sure he had Magnum's blessing ultimately (their bad), but I don't believe it really did them any favours.
That said, I'd challenge the OP to come to market with a finished product that was guaranteed to meet or exceed customer satisfaction in the six months we've known about the Magnum....
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by David Brown on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I have to agree that Doug's releasing the video may have been a bit premature, but I received e-mail from Magnum (I'll withhold his real name) and I for one am not really worried.
There's been some mention from Magnum not having a website, and that this seems to be almost akin to a crime to some folks. Might I remind people that premier's website isn't really anything informative doesn't even have a demonstration or at lease didn't the last time I looked, but yet we still buy them and use them and love them.
Time will tell if the Magnum will be released, and if it does everything it's supposed to do. While I am very anxious to see it and possibly own it. I am just troubled that people will get on here and thrash a product that they haven't seen, and complain that is just some type of hoax because the company won't put up a website that answers all their questions in finite detail.
If I'm wrong, y'all are welcome to pile on. But if I'm right don't expect a free pass either :-)
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
Well said David! There's a lot of things to go through before production of a product can begin. There's no telling what Magnum has run into that has caused the delay. But, since I have seen the machine working, and Doug Kennedy says it's what we have been waiting for, and has faith--than so do I! The most fleeting of secrets are industrial, and I wouldn't have let anyone see anything till I held the patent in my hand. That said and what David has said also being true is why no manufacturer in his or her right mind would come on a site like this and hang their asses out for anyone to take pot shots at! There is always someone who's sole purpose in life is to cause grief and attack other people's personality! A manufacturer who is trying to get feedback on their product in an open forum like this; with some of the people we have stop in is likely to need psychological help after the experience! There are far too many as'les who hide behind their anonymity to attack anyone trying to do good for the rest of us! Take D&R for instance. They are the most up front about what's in their products yet we get some yokels saying D&R is obfuscating when they are the only manufacturer to disclose anything about their blends!
Now comes Magnum, and the guttersnipes aren't far behind!
I agree with David, so I guess if we're wrong come on and we'll talk about it! Capt Mike
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Kerry on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
Err...Umm..., the bait taken... should have spit it out and swam away...
Obfuscation, word play, semantics. All apply. Mark may not like me any more, but facts are facts, even if they are obfuscated. Just because I like a product doesn't mean that I will fall into the marketing line of any given product.
I still smoke D&R tobacco nearly exclusively and recommend it to anyone looking for a quality tobacco product, however...
My previous posts and emails speak for themselves. I would say more, but I don't think the onus is on me.
'Nuff said.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Captain U-96 aka Mike on Wednesday, 26-Dec-2007
I wasn't thinking about you Kerry. I was thinking about some strangers that have dropped in on occasion to take a shot someone. They never contribute here, just try and raise hell. Capt Mike
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Dave Lers on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
This whole thread started with David calling Ervin's perfectly reasonable post "asinine", i.e. a regular taking a rather bizarre shot at a new poster and you, in effect, supporting it. Both of you seem to be misinterpreting/reading a lot into the OP's rather simple request.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by David Brown on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
Well sorry Dave, I think calling something" vaporware" was rather asinine. And I'm sorry that if every time someone thrashed it I would normally answer wait-and-see.
I know if I were developing product and someone got so frustrated that I didn't let them in on every little aspect of the production process and they started posting that I was creating "vaporware" I would take offense to it. I wouldn't consider it reasonable or perfectly reasonable or anything else.
Obviously after going back and rereading all the posts in this thread I have not misunderstood any of the intention of the original post.
Sorry if I ruffled any feathers, but if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I'm sorry if I called it a duck. I just believe that patience is a virtue, and it getting up and posting erroneous comments on a web forum can do more harm than good.
I know for a fact the people at Magnum read this forum and having people run around up here whining that it's vaporware and that it's junk before it's ever been seen by anybody other than Doug Kennedy is not only asinine but irresponsible to the myo community as well.
I'm sorry you took offense
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Dave Lers on Thursday, 27-Dec-2007
Oh come on, read your post, "asinine" was not used in the context of "vaporware". Ervin/nobody has ever said, or in any way implied, that they want to be let "in on every little aspect of the production process". Freddie is the only person who has made any negative comment about the machine itself. If anyone is asinine and irresponsible its Magnum for not providing "some factual information regarding product development and availability" (what you called asinine). That lack of information - Magnum not having a website, not meeting deadlines and not posting followups - is what caused the vaporware comment.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Maybe Magnum did take my advise. If they increased the ram diameter and corrected the compressed/overlength before it was injected into the cigarette tube.... then they might just have a good electric machine. This could be the reason for their delays.
Actually, I just checked out the Simron EXP1000 and it appears to be close to my machine as far as compression and tobacco chamber length (not as long as Magnum's). If this is true and based on my past experiments..... I think it will turn out to be a good hand operated machine as long as you follow their operating instructions and not overstuff the middle.
I don't know what the EXP1000 costs, but it should be cheaper than the Supermatic II and if so would be worth checking into.
My machine is much more complex than the EXP1000 or Magnum (not as pretty... yet). It is more of a challange and hobby. When the Magnum becomes available and some of you people here have bought one... I may then post some photos of my machine.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Kent on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Ervin wrote:
"The site Magnum Injector was supposed to be up before Thanksgiving and yet it's now only a few days before Christmas and still no word regarding product delivery."
Yet as far back as Sept., Magnun posted this:
Posted by Magnum on Friday, 14-Sep-2007
Ernest (Lipps)
"Please be patient. Mass production will be available for public soon in 2008."
I'd say March 08 is 'soon in 2008'.
As far as the site supposed to have been up before Thanksgiving, on Nov 3 Lipps reported the email from "Stephanie" (likely not Magnum) and posted about their site going up, but Magnum corrected almost immediately - Ervin must have missed that - but it's only two posts below and a few days later:
Posted by Magnum on Wednesday, 07-Nov-2007
Sorry Ernest.
The web site is ready but we just decided to wait the first lot of machines before make it active. Please be patient."
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Freddie on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Then why did Magnum activate their web-site now?.... before the machine is available.... when on Wednesday, 07-Nov-2007, Magnum posted .... " The web site is ready but we just decided to wait the first lot of machines before make it active. Please be patient."
I think that when Magnum does start selling their machine.... Magnum should FIRST send one to Dave Lers for testing and reveiwing BEFORE anyone that visits this site buys one.
Because if Magnum hasn't corrected overpacked and excess tobacco discharge.... there will be a lot of unhappy owners.
Also.... If Magnum hasn't made any changes from the machine in the video.... They probably won't send one to Dave Lers for testing.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Not to dis Dave, but why should they send him one for testing? Just because he's created the software that makes this site possible?
And why have you always been ready to cast aspersions against Magnum while at the same time attempting to hawk your own skillz/machine development for something no one else has seen? I seem to recall your panties getting in quite a bunch when people began asking questions and making some of the same comments regarding your "creation." Hmmmmm....
In any event, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunity to judge this thing on its own merits by each one of us. I'll tell you this; if/when I purchase one, if the sucker don't work it will be returned ASAP and comments passed along to not only the readers of this site but others as well.
I'd also have to say that David Brown's remark to the OP was appropriate; it *is* rather silly to think any manufacturer owes anyone anything (especially in a public forum) regarding R&D information, manufacturing details, etc. on a brand new product that is arguably unique. Approximate availability dates is most certainly all anyone should expect regarding a new product from any company.
And I think if we are to start tempering our posts because we may be offending the sensibilities of an apparent noob (and attempt to determine if they meant something other than what they actually wrote), then this place would be doomed. But that's just me....
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
I think it's just rather neat for us here to be a part of what is seemingly and possibly an unfolding future.
Really, considering all the savings we do get from RYO, $150.00 isn't that big of a drop, especially for most of you who have actual careers, jobs, retirement funds and whatnot.....
I would consider getting hands on one of the very first machines rather a privilege, and if it does throw some springs like an old broken watch, that civility (is that a word?) will be used while things get fixed even further and the thing gets better and better if it can.
I also think it would be nice, if grace were applied where noobs are concerned since forums do seem to have a bit of a coldness to them, and I'd like to see that change a bit
people can be spooked away rather easily
I further think that Dave Lers deserves to get promo machines of everything since this site is rather a big deal in this industry and it ultimately does lead to promotion and generated sales.....so while I disagree with NOTHING that has been said, I just offer my own reasoning for why Dave may be a good person to receive stuff....
I mean hell, I get frikin' (sorry sorry) promo stuff for being on here!!! how cool is that???
let's have fun shall we and I am a little concerned about Matt.....
**afterthought**- of course if a new device is a POS, maybe better NOT send Dave L a promotional machine, as it SURELY won't fly...LOL
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
pardon a post script (is that a term)
I have only looked for something "promo" once, and that was regarding the Royale-Matic.....Dave killed me with that one (which I DID BUY ONE at full price as well, so there you are..)
when you see my next trick it is PAID FOR......if I am allowed to get hands on.......
I ask for NOTHING
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Dave Lers on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Wow. If my strong point is my Perl/Linux (scripts/server) hobby, I am totally out of touch with reality and this site has been an incredible waste of time.
Who said anything about anyone owing anything? Who said anything about R&D? Who said anything about the forum? Who said anything about manufacturing details? The March '08 information didn't exist when this thread started, i.e. we had no approximate availability.
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
ohhhhhhhhhh I get it now why your post is under mine, or at least in part...........(I logged back on for this!)
I guess where the scripting is concerned I do in fact disagree, but then again I am in constant disagreement with the best of friends, etc
I mean, simple, you've created the foremost, best-known, SYO forum
and despite the exciting deviations in the thread, the basic desired knowledege is now with us.......
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- Re: Vaporware
- Posted by Kent on Friday, 28-Dec-2007
Freddie wrote:
"Then why did Magnum activate their web-site now?.... before the machine is available.... when on Wednesday, 07-Nov-2007, Magnum posted .... " The web site is ready but we just decided to wait the first lot of machines before make it active. Please be patient."
I'm not sure the first lot of machines were for retail. There was at least one post that one lot of machines were for testing.
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