The problem with electric machines
Posted by Kerry on Thursday, 28-Feb-2008
Let me start with IMHO...
The main problem with most if not all available electric machines, aside the fact that some of them are quite simply junk, is that they take away the ability of the stuffer to have immediate feedback as to how well the machine is doing regarding proper filling and hydration of tobacco and have no real means of automatically controlling or adjusting for those most frequent and problem causing conditions in stuffing.
With a hand crank or hand held machine, you will know almost immediately if you have either over/underfilled the machine or if the tobacco is over/under hydrated by the feedback you get from the feel of the action of stuffing. And from that feedback, you are quickly able to adjust to correct.
Certainly there is a "learning curve" for everything, including the available electric machines. However, the loss of immediate feedback in the stuffing process is the killer for the electrics.
The available electric machines remove this feed back while not being able to automatically adjust for these variances. Sure, there is a learning curve for these electrics just as their is for any hand crank or hand held machine, but at the price of the electrics it seems rediculous to replace "human power with feedback" with "electric power and no feedback" at a rediculously higher price. I think the trade off is too much for the price.
I think my point is, until they make an electric machine that can do it all and be reasonably priced, I will stick with the hand cranks. My arm never has gotten that tired and maybe the exercise is doing me good?
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- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by Wazmo Nariz on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
A nice post, Kerry, but I'm not sure I can agree 100%. I think the real problem with electric machines is people's expectations. Sure, most of them have been junk, and so everyone automatically assumes that the next one will be junk--and when the next one comes along, if it doesn't stuff soggy, soaking wet tobacco or baccy that's so dry the weather service would issue a fire alert concerning it, then the machine is flawed.
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Anyone who has been using a crank machine for any great length of time and must still rely upon mechanical feedback to make a perfect smoke hasn't been paying attention to what they've been doing all that time, IMHO.
I think people need tor realise that no machine is ever going to be a Holy Grail for everyone; there will always be something to learn regarding its usage and there will always be a right way and a wrong way to use it...just as there is for any other tool.
- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by KL on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
well put Wasmo
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- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
and my take is yet again slightly different
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to me it's the psychology of the human mind and to watch their (company's) behavior here, on Dave's forum.....
If a machine is a genuine hit, then there won't be a problem either sending a tester to DL, or fielding questions..
love it or hate it, real people with mouths to speak the truth are HERE, and I'm one
of course this doesn't apply in the case where there never was any "visibility" from the said company, and in that case we would simply rely on the pioneers
- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by KL on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
The proofs in the pudding, if we get them, cool. if we don't...Well ... you know the rest.
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- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by mike c on Friday, 29-Feb-2008
mornin' KL, since we're simultaneous this A.M., wish to add:
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I am leaving a whole lot of VARIABLE in what I mean: not speaking about what people's opinions of tobacco are, or whether or not somebody dislikes something due to a slanted nozzle, etc....I mean if something is really good, it will shine through
like the matic's
I am _still_ open of course to the idea the Magnum might work out, but I must admit I have had my suspicions all along
I felt terrible saying anything negative regarding the 6.5 hh, but from my perspective, it should be known that you may be gaining a cool new format, but you are stepping backwards to a HH if you are a crank person in so doing, etc, etc
FWIW: I had never thought about what Kerry was saying, in essence, having a "manual feel" to using a cranker, but must admit I think there is in fact some truth to that concept
- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by david on Tuesday, 01-Apr-2008
I have a fresh choice electric machine, it's jammed, does anybody know about these machines?
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- Re: The problem with electric machines
- Posted by Justin on Monday, 07-Apr-2008
Well I bought a Royale-Auto-Roller and I do have a problem with the cherry breaking all the time the cig just isn't strong enough with my machine the machine doesn't pack the tobacco like the hand crank ones so that kind of sucks. I hope they make one that does the packing and everything else. I thought the electrics would be the best ones but I was wrong. But if anyone has any recommendations on how to use this Royale-Auto-Roller I would really appreciate the feed back.
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